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I am guessing that most of the people in charge of all this stuff has not really experienced SPAM, It is culture to just block them out and not truly deal with the issue at hand…

Until there is a reasonable return path that I can follow to deal with spam myself (as an individual) then this problem will NEVER go away, If it was possible to track down the spammer through domain registrations and network connections then I could at least deal with MY spam…

To me spam is about a valid interruption of communication between me and people that really want to get a hold of me, If you have 200 people calling you a day trying to sell you something then its hard to do anything BUT that doesn't happen because you CAN track down who is calling you and make it stop…

I have been getting alot of real life spam lately which is stuff that comes in the postal mail box and it too creates a valid interruption of communication, If it was all crammed in an envelope then I could easily throw it away but this creates confusion because its almost like a small newspaper with lots of other little peices of spam crammed in with it…

Imagine if it was free to send actual junkmail that you get at home, Imagine getting 50 envelopes a day and they all look exactly like your phone bill and you have to open it to see, Imagine sitting in your house sifting through small trash bags full of legitimate looking mail to find your missing credit card bill, Imagine the post office calling you every day saying your box is full and you have to pick up your mail…

What can you really do though?

Well if that day ever came and it was a widespread problem then the post office would just tell you to throw it all away, or Maybe they'd have some sort of 'service' where the postal worker would guess whether it was junkmail or not, They might even offer products such as a mini trash container that you hang on your belt…

Everyone gets junkmail at home but they don't get that much because that spam actually cost money, The post office likes it when you get that stuff because they make money, They would LOVE it if someone wanted to send 500 peices of mail a day to everyone because they would make profits…

You don't see the problems that the internet has when it comes to real life spam because the postal inspector would immediately crack down on it, You hear from time to time about scams that people try using the postal service but it's rare compared to email…

The laxness of law enforcement does not help either, I tried to deal with spammers and crackers but the FBI usually has jurisdiction over those matters and they just don't deal with stuff like this, If Chris Hanson from NBC can follow scammers to london with a video crew and the FBI's response is "We don't have time to mess with that" then what could I possibly do…

As a business (or individual) I need to be legitimately empowered to deal with things in a reasonable manner, To me it has always been about domain ownership and it will always be about that…

If I could track down spam by following it through to the point of sale and get valid contact numbers then I could easily deal with alot of spam, I don't mind calling people in the middle of the night if I KNOW its the right contact, It's even worth the effort and cost of clogging up a fax machine with email headers and log files for the cause…

It's sad that too many people think the solution is blocking spam, It's sad that not many people see that the true problem IS the ability to register domains using bogus contact information…

the true problem IS the ability to register domains using bogus contact information

You need to think that through a little more.

For one thing, not all spammers register domain names. I'll let that slide, and pretend that domain name registration is an indispensable part of spamming. Next problem: how can we prevent domain names from being registered with false information? Bear in mind that spammers are already in the habit of breaking anti-spam laws and computer trespass laws, so one more unenforced law isn't going to make a difference. But you didn't actually claim it was possible to prevent bogus registrations: you merely claimed that they were the true problem. So let's pretend registrations are already fixed. We're still getting spammed, but now we have contact details for the spammers.

Those few spammers who presently provide valid contact information rapidly learn to deflect angry recipients. You've got a valid phone number? Expect it to be attached to a voice mail system. You've got a valid fax number? Expect it to be attached to a computer which stores incoming faxes in files, rather than printing them. And expect both of these to be sacrificial systems which aren't the spammer's vital infrastructure: he doesn't care if you DoS them. You've got a valid street address? What are you going to do? Turn up and make a scene, or just hope that a lynch mob forms spontaneously?

Knowing how to locate someone is only helpful if they are either basically cooperative (spammers are the opposite of that) or you intend to pick a fight with them. The latter option is likely to get you into more trouble than the spammer—although I can imagine a jury being sympathetic to your cause.

There are very little ways to make money if you do not have a domain or do not use someone elses, The stock spams are the only ones I can think of where they just promote a stock in hopes that it goes up…

IF I could sell fake ID's around here out in the open then I could clean up, The registrars are the ones selling fake ID's which are the domains…

If you think that cracking down on domains would have no bearing on spam then you must not truly understand the origin of spam, Its not just the domains that need to be cracked down on because the spammers still have to connect to the internet…

And who has time to track someone down like you are saying, Thats up to law enforcement and are they are not going to attempt tracking a domain when they know that its bogus…

I have no idea what your plan on fighting spam is but it would be interesting to hear it, I guess if I could do with or without an email then I wouldn't care either…

You mean, like all the folks mentioned in the following news report? Seems the domain tasting, squatting and scamming area just got a LITTLE bit hotter!

http://money.cnn.com/news...