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Re: Hotmail Running Its Own SMTP Variation Simon Waters  –  May 18, 2007 4:23 PM PDT

Hotmail's tactics might best be described as "Embrace and delete".

SPF is broken by design, the signing of emails (either by server, or by sender) allows the authenticity to be established, independent of the route an email took to get to you, and thus avoids the key failing of SPF.

I don't see what SPF has to do with the Telecom Italia issue. Telecom Italia sent people spam, and advance fee fraud invitations, millions of them.

If you control where email from your domain comes from SPF lets you say so. If you don't, why would you want your users email rejected, because they happened to be sending it from Africa rather than Europe?

The idea it is easier to prosecute say "in Europe" is laughable. Did Telecom Italia get prosecuted for supporting advanced fee fraud? Thus I conclude that legal remedies won't solve our current email woes, if you can't get big Italian companies to behave legally and decently, what hope if there of controlling shady businesses in parts of the world with less effective legal systems and governments.

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Re: Hotmail Running Its Own SMTP Variation Ale  –  May 20, 2007 7:42 AM PDT

Carrying on legal suits is just one of the actions one may engage against spammers in the real (not virtual) world. Complaining and eventually changing ISP may result in a similar effect, when the people are many. Companies may institute a policy of disqualifying ISPs that appear anywhere on Spamhaus' top 10 list from doing any business with them. All these actions capitalize on human discernment and aim at definitively ruling out spammers.

Forcing spammers to operate locally looks like a good strategy, because human discernment emerges more naturally within local or restricted communities. In addition, if Telecom Italia behaves badly it should be up to Italian users to deal with that issue. An American user, for example, should not suffer because of it. DNSBLs implement that possibility. However, their operations are not well known in Italy, where their long term effect should happen. Maybe, the fact that they act unofficially hinders their rise as opinion makers and conveys the idea that messages can be rejected arbitrarily. Language barriers and email clients that hide the real reasons of bounces do the rest.

SPF does not directly help when the source of spam are the ISP's relays. Apart from that, it is misunderstood, rather than broken. SPF does not authenticate the sender. Message signing does that. Signing messages on the server is a trade-off between security and convenience. It is useful because very few users spontaneously take on themselves the burden to set up a mechanism to sign every outgoing message. At any rate, the "From:" header, i.e. the message originator's name and/or id that recipients normally see and reply to, can only be authenticated after the body of the message has been received. Thus, in terms of both what it does and when, message signing is complementary to SPF.

Another common misunderstanding about SPF is that users should change their email address whenever they change connection provider. They don't have to. A user connecting from an AfriNIC IP can apply SMTP authentication on any server she wants. Vanity email addresses can be exploited in the "From:" header, since the effective address, I mean the SPF-authorized address assigned by an email service provider, needs only to appear on the envelope "MAIL from:", a.k.a. Return-Path, of a message.

Email service providers should control where email comes from. In the past, it was believed that using the connection provider's SMTP server for outgoing mail would result in a better resource usage, as that allowed to optimize the delivery paths of outgoing messages. After recognizing the amount of resources burned for delivering spam, that statement is not true.

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Re: Hotmail Running Its Own SMTP Variation Ale  –  May 26, 2007 2:38 AM PDT

There has been a Coalition statement against "stealth blocking" back in 2001. Thus stealth blocking should be the acknowledged name for Hotmail behavior.

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