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ORSN is using the original IANA root zone (unmodified) so long no users outside the U.S.A are limited by the DoC. If you really want that the DoC controls biz world wide by removing/changing ccTLD information??? I didn't want this. You'll remember of Iraq war? The administration of U.S. bombs a country based on pentagon lies. If you want this? So we do not split the "internet world". We want to protect the people and their biz. Please see also my other comment. I like america but not their administration.

Ouch.  Did he really say that I really said that?  Quoting Mr. Mueller: "Vixie's endorsement of Open Root Server Network (ORSN) is based on explicitly political criteria." First off, I don't endorse, or use ORSN.  I support this project but I don't recommend it to anybody.  Second, if my support were to be called an endorsement by mistake, my reasons for offering that support are explicitly NON-political.  ORSN's reasons appear to be political, but I don't share them, so, so what?

Mr. Mueller's attempt to restate my position is wrong.  Where he says "In essence, Paul Vixie is saying is...," he really means, "In essence, what I would have said is...," and I find his lack of scholarship appalling.

Note that I don't speak for ORSN, but Markus sure can.  My irritation of the moment is that I seem to be spending a lot of time today pointing out that Mr. Mueller does not speak for ME.  Ouch, ouch, ouch.

Markus Grundmann's political naivete has him on the verge of hysteria about his US bogeyman. This is not a sane basis for making decisions about running a network of root servers… or anything else.

Paul Vixie, on the other hand, has done excellent work internationalizing the f-root. I hope he doesn't come away from his no doubt well-intended foray into the land of paranoid hyper-idealism tainted by the aura of nervous sweat that surrounds ORSN.

@Juan: I do not have other reaction expect and I have only written which happened.

Paul Vixie's ego is large enough - justifiably perhaps - that he thinks this whole debate is about how we characterize his position. I suggest that there is a far larger and more important issue here. It is not whether I "speak for" Paul Vixie ("ouch" for him thinking I would even want to). It is whether the U.S. insistence on unilateral control of the DNS root is increasing the risk of splits in the name space. I think it is. I think the existence of ORSN proves it in and of itself. But the willingness of Vixie not to condemn them, (and even to make weak rationalizations about the difference between different "root server sets" and "different name spaces") shows how seriously the U.S. position has created mistrust and countermoves among the global internet community. That's what is important here.

To answer Markus Grundman, "do I really want that the DoC controls biz world wide by removing/changing ccTLD information???" Of course not. I can tell you are not familiar with my writings. In 2001 my book Ruling the root called US unilateral control over the root zone a "ticking time bomb." When the book was released in Washington DC in May 2002, former ICANN CEO Mike Roberts singled out that sentence and criticized it as being silly. Well. I wonder what he thinks now. In short, I am the original critic of this situation. Look at the statements and papers of the Internet governance project and you will see that we have been hammering away at this issue for some time. So I am not accusing ORSN of "splitting the Internet world" I see ORSN as a welcome and probably inevitable countermove to the US government's position, an act of true self-governance by the Internet community, and if they (USG) do illegitimate things with the root the responsibility for a split will rest with them.

I will say this. You can talk about the "original" IANA data as if it were holy and legitimate, but if in fact the US does make a change that ORSN refuses to accept it, we all know where we stand. Because IANA is nothing but a U.S. government contractor at the moment, and has been since October 1998. 

Dear Milton Mueller.
From my side I think we close now this thread. Sorry for some words of me but
I can't hear any more sayings like "ORSN is bad. Evil on Earth. Split XYZ" ...
We want an internet controlled by an international organization. Not more!

Regards
Markus

Milton,

You've merged the concept of the Internet namespace and the implementation of that namespace.  ORSN has implemented the Internet namespace on a different set of IP addresses than the ones the vast majority of Internet users use.  That's all.

If/when ORSN refuses to replicate all changes to the Internet namespace published by ICANN (or Verisign or USDoC, depending on your point of view) , only then will there be an alternate name space. 

What ORSN is doing isn't particularly new or interesting—I suspect lots of folks who are nervous about a (D)DoS taking out the root servers have replicated the root zone into their name servers.  It would be nice if the root zone were actually signed so folks who do this (and the folks who rely on the replicated root zone) could have some assurance the zone they are using hasn't been mangled (for some value of that variable).

From my perspective, Paul's participation has generated a tempest in a teapot.

Rgds,
-drc

Milton,

The IANA function has been a USG contract long before '98.