Re: Ireland's .ie To Come Under Government ControlJeffrey A. Williams – Apr 19, 2004 6:11 PM PST
ICANN's BoD and Sr. staff have yet again under the radar of public knowledge despite the DOC/NTIA's insistence of more a better openness, has been very busy yet again trying to get ccTLD's out of the hands of governments fearing national regulation. This article shows clearly that, so called commercial entities wish to use government's names and authority to set policy for .IE in this instance much like the ICANN BoD and staff attempted to do with ..PH and other ccTLD's… I hope that he citizens of Ireland will see clearly and through this almost cleaver attempt at taking the citizens and sakeholders of .IE now and in the future of what COMREG, http://www.comreg.ie is attempting to do…
I know I will along with our many and growing Irish members of IENGroup be sure that as many of the Irish stakeholders and future stakeholders are as fully aware of the consequences of such a decision…
Re: Ireland's .ie To Come Under Government ControlJohn McCormac – Apr 20, 2004 4:48 PM PST
IE Domain Registry Limited crippled the development of .ie cctld as a viable alternative to .com/net/org. When IE Domain Registry Limited was spun off as an independent company from University College Dublin (UCD had administered .ie cctld previously), UCD appointed people who had no apparent operational experience of the domain name business to the board. The .ie cctld suffered. The .ie cctld turned into an overpriced and underutilised cctld that could not compete with the .com/net/org. At a price of up to 150 Euros for a .ie, the cheaper and less bureaucratically encumbered .com was the obvious choice for Irish internet users especially as the .com was a tenth of the price of a .ie registration.
Admittedly IE Domain Registry Limited had become more responsive to industry concerns over the past few months but it has been said that the prospect of imminent demise concentrates the mind wonderfully. Some industry members are prepared to give IE Domain Registry Limited the benefit of the doubt. However more doubt the benefits that would be derived by letting IE Domain Registry Limited's operation of .ie cctld continue.
Due to continuing industry complaints, various legal actions, management problems, financial problems and sheer frustration with how .ie cctld was being mishandled, the Irish government decided late last year (November) to transfer policy and regulatory functions from the problematic UCD spin-off company. This was a very clever move to protect the integrity of .ie cctld. By removing the policy and decision making processes from IE Domain Registry Limited, it allows for the reassignment of the technical operation of .ie cctld to another company. This appears to be a long term objective. If IE Domain Registry Limited becomes commercially insolvent or collapses, it will not destroy .ie cctld as well.
By moving the policy and decision making processes away from the board of IE Domain Registry Ltd to ComReg, the Irish government moved them to an organisation that has to publically consult on decisions. This public consultation on policy and regulations has been absent for the past few years with the board and management of IE Domain Registry Limited. The board and management has effectively run .ie cctld as their own private property without concern for the Irish internet community. And now that asset, the .ie cctld, has once more been restored to the rightful owners - the Irish internet community.
To people not directly involved in the Irish internet business it is, perhaps, difficult to understand the disaster that .ie cctld had become under the board and management of IE Domain Registry Limited. As for the 'so called commercial entities' who wish to use the government's authority to set .ie policy, the commercial entities just happen to be the entire Irish hosting and domain name industry. The Irish internet community is not too happy with IE Domain Registry either and have voted with their credit cards. The number of Irish owned com/net/org domains is at least three times that of the number of current .ie registrations. The biggest ISPs in Ireland use .net instead of .ie.
This splitting of regulatory and operational functions is a start. It reduces IE Domain Registry Limited to nothing more than a service supplier. Sooner or later, ComReg may decide to put the technical operation of .ie cctld out to tender. This may result in a competent, industry backed venture, subject to ComReg and public oversight, operating .ie cctld for the benefit of the Irish internet community. Now wouldn't that be something worth seeing?
Re: Ireland's .ie To Come Under Government ControlMichele Neylon – Apr 29, 2004 3:42 PM PST
John
Although I can appreciate some of your concerns I would be very cautious about welcoming the move to comreg. As a government body they are yet to have any significant impact on any of the industries that they regulate. If you look back over the last few years, with particular focus on the availability of broadband the picture becomes all too clear. The bureaucracy of a state department cannot possibly compete with the agility of free market forces.
ICANN's BoD and Sr. staff have yet again under the radar of public knowledge despite the DOC/NTIA's insistence of more a better openness, has been very busy yet again trying to get ccTLD's out of the hands of governments fearing national regulation. This article shows clearly that, so called commercial entities wish to use government's names and authority to set policy for .IE in this instance much like the ICANN BoD and staff attempted to do with ..PH and other ccTLD's… I hope that he citizens of Ireland will see clearly and through this almost cleaver attempt at taking the citizens and sakeholders of .IE now and in the future of what COMREG, http://www.comreg.ie is attempting to do…
I know I will along with our many and growing Irish members of IENGroup be sure that as many of the Irish stakeholders and future stakeholders are as fully aware of the consequences of such a decision…
IE Domain Registry Limited crippled the development of .ie cctld as a viable alternative to .com/net/org. When IE Domain Registry Limited was spun off as an independent company from University College Dublin (UCD had administered .ie cctld previously), UCD appointed people who had no apparent operational experience of the domain name business to the board. The .ie cctld suffered. The .ie cctld turned into an overpriced and underutilised cctld that could not compete with the .com/net/org. At a price of up to 150 Euros for a .ie, the cheaper and less bureaucratically encumbered .com was the obvious choice for Irish internet users especially as the .com was a tenth of the price of a .ie registration.
Admittedly IE Domain Registry Limited had become more responsive to industry concerns over the past few months but it has been said that the prospect of imminent demise concentrates the mind wonderfully. Some industry members are prepared to give IE Domain Registry Limited the benefit of the doubt. However more doubt the benefits that would be derived by letting IE Domain Registry Limited's operation of .ie cctld continue.
Due to continuing industry complaints, various legal actions, management problems, financial problems and sheer frustration with how .ie cctld was being mishandled, the Irish government decided late last year (November) to transfer policy and regulatory functions from the problematic UCD spin-off company. This was a very clever move to protect the integrity of .ie cctld. By removing the policy and decision making processes from IE Domain Registry Limited, it allows for the reassignment of the technical operation of .ie cctld to another company. This appears to be a long term objective. If IE Domain Registry Limited becomes commercially insolvent or collapses, it will not destroy .ie cctld as well.
By moving the policy and decision making processes away from the board of IE Domain Registry Ltd to ComReg, the Irish government moved them to an organisation that has to publically consult on decisions. This public consultation on policy and regulations has been absent for the past few years with the board and management of IE Domain Registry Limited. The board and management has effectively run .ie cctld as their own private property without concern for the Irish internet community. And now that asset, the .ie cctld, has once more been restored to the rightful owners - the Irish internet community.
To people not directly involved in the Irish internet business it is, perhaps, difficult to understand the disaster that .ie cctld had become under the board and management of IE Domain Registry Limited. As for the 'so called commercial entities' who wish to use the government's authority to set .ie policy, the commercial entities just happen to be the entire Irish hosting and domain name industry. The Irish internet community is not too happy with IE Domain Registry either and have voted with their credit cards. The number of Irish owned com/net/org domains is at least three times that of the number of current .ie registrations. The biggest ISPs in Ireland use .net instead of .ie.
This splitting of regulatory and operational functions is a start. It reduces IE Domain Registry Limited to nothing more than a service supplier. Sooner or later, ComReg may decide to put the technical operation of .ie cctld out to tender. This may result in a competent, industry backed venture, subject to ComReg and public oversight, operating .ie cctld for the benefit of the Irish internet community. Now wouldn't that be something worth seeing?
John
Although I can appreciate some of your concerns I would be very cautious about welcoming the move to comreg. As a government body they are yet to have any significant impact on any of the industries that they regulate. If you look back over the last few years, with particular focus on the availability of broadband the picture becomes all too clear. The bureaucracy of a state department cannot possibly compete with the agility of free market forces.
M