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Has it been "CircleIDed" ? Simon Waters – Jul 14, 2008 11:22 AM PST

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One approach I haven't seen discussed is reclaiming IP space from groups involved in illegal activity. There is vast amounts of IPv4 address space used by a relatively small number of spammers and crooks which could be reallocated with a general decrease in noise on the net. Of course it would need clear policies, but it would get my support. That with a little bit of reclaiming long unused space, and we are good for a few years yet.

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Yup, for example this Wash Post blog .. Suresh Ramasubramanian – Jul 16, 2008 3:20 PM PST

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/04/a_case_of_network_identity_the_1.html

Sure, it is just a few /16s so far (and there's another spammer who managed to get a fresh /15 and two /17s, and sundry other space, from RIPE, pretending to be various DSL networks in eastern europe .. though they're all emitting spam advertising various US companies) ..

Drops in a bucket, I guess.

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Drops Simon Waters – Jul 16, 2008 11:30 PM PST

Yeah, well I guess whilst IANA have 10%+ of the existing space unallocated it isn't exactly urgent despite what some folks claim. And a fair few of those early /8 allocations are clearly ridiculous.

If a market is to work it has to persuade people to return /8 allocations, or portions of. I think that will be hard, because a lot of these organisation don't know they even have this space, probably best to start with writing to the biggest allocations and asking nicely.

That said I think it might be appropriate to put the abuse clauses in place, and the procedures to enforce them, because we need a stick to keep folks in line.

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