Re: New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and AccessJay Daley – May 09, 2008 6:19 AM PDT
Credit where credit is due please Michael. The policy being introduced by CIRA is very similar to the policy in place for .uk, which was introduced in 2002. Our policy also makes the distinction between personal registrants and corporates/organisations, allowing the personal registrants to opt-out from having their details revealed.
The email contact system may well be unique but given the inventiveness of the many registries and their different ways of doing things I would not bet on it.
So yes the CIRA step is a very important and well considered one that will deliver great benefit, but many other countries are doing similar clever things. The big contrast is with the gTLD WHOIS debate where the various sides appear unshakeable in their opinions.
Re: New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Accessroderick whitney stillwell – May 10, 2008 3:13 AM PDT
I spent considerable time last Fall trying to find just who CIRA board members consulted in making the decision to follow the UK in anonymizing dot ca domain registrations. Suffice it to say, responses by those involved in fighting cybercrime, spam, spamvertized sites and a litany of other net abuses expressed either skepticism or opposition the proposed revision.
I concluded that there must have been a deal of "cherry picking" in the consultation process.
I did find a consensus around a policy whereby registrants wishing to be anonymous could apply on an exception basis ... a process the bad guys would be feign to follow while still respecting that there are legitimate and verifiable reasons for some to merit privacy without prejudice.
The revised policy presents unnecessary obstruction to identifying, pursuing and mitigating criminal and other abusers while affording little or no demonstrable benefit to the public at large. The rationale is both specious and self-serving inasmuch as the appearance of security appeals to the naive and insulates the nefarious while serving to justify the institution of a bureaucracy under the aegis of CIRA.
Re: New CIRA Whois Policy Strikes Balance Between Privacy and Accessgo2ao – May 21, 2008 1:09 PM PDT
This post from CIRA sycophant, Michael Geist, is unmitigated .CA-CA. The CIRA policy does NOT strike a balance between privacy and access, notwithstanding Canadian privacy rules, which are an excuse for CIRA to extend and reinforce its monopolization of the .CA name space.. Check instead the CIRA registration rules which are numerous and prolific. .CA domain names ultimately and only belong to CIRA, according to CIRA. The new CIRA disclosure policy would amount to anti-trust violation in the U.S. (for example) in that its actual purpose is to interfere with the existing marketplace for .CA domain names and, thus, perpetuate monopolization of the .CA name space by CIRA. When a .CA domain name changes ownership, this presents a legal dilemma for CIRA which requires that all registrants agree that they do not own the domain that they paid for in the first place. To my knowledge CIRA has not to date interfered with the market in the sense of forbidding a registrant to sell a domain. It if did, it would lose in any Canadian legal jurisdiction, which would be precedent setting that CIRA most assuredly does not want to happen. The REAL purpose of the policy is to prevent where possible .CA domain name ownership changes by a self-proclaimed "private" entity run by a bunch of monopolizers that do not now, nor have they ever had, "authority" to monopolize anything, let alone the .CA domain space. CIRA's only original "authority" stems from a single letter from the Canadian government which allowed CIRA to manage the name space. For CIRA to claim that it is either (a) a private entity or (b) has "authority" to either monopolize the name space or interfere with the marketplace is as absurd as the post from lawyer Michael Geist. As it stands, the new policy DOES allow registrants to make public their information, if they choose. However, most registrants will not know about the opt-out provision. If CIRA wants to "protect" privacy in keeping with Canadian privacy legislation, all that is required for private registrants is a registration pseudonym and a working email address for every non-commercial domain name so that potential purchasers of .CA domain names can communicate with each other. Check back soon with CIRA which will more than likely decide to subsequently levy an additional tariff for so-called "private" registrations in the .CA name space.
Credit where credit is due please Michael. The policy being introduced by CIRA is very similar to the policy in place for .uk, which was introduced in 2002. Our policy also makes the distinction between personal registrants and corporates/organisations, allowing the personal registrants to opt-out from having their details revealed.
The email contact system may well be unique but given the inventiveness of the many registries and their different ways of doing things I would not bet on it.
So yes the CIRA step is a very important and well considered one that will deliver great benefit, but many other countries are doing similar clever things. The big contrast is with the gTLD WHOIS debate where the various sides appear unshakeable in their opinions.
I spent considerable time last Fall trying to find just who CIRA board members consulted in making the decision to follow the UK in anonymizing dot ca domain registrations. Suffice it to say, responses by those involved in fighting cybercrime, spam, spamvertized sites and a litany of other net abuses expressed either skepticism or opposition the proposed revision.
I concluded that there must have been a deal of "cherry picking" in the consultation process.
I did find a consensus around a policy whereby registrants wishing to be anonymous could apply on an exception basis ... a process the bad guys would be feign to follow while still respecting that there are legitimate and verifiable reasons for some to merit privacy without prejudice.
The revised policy presents unnecessary obstruction to identifying, pursuing and mitigating criminal and other abusers while affording little or no demonstrable benefit to the public at large. The rationale is both specious and self-serving inasmuch as the appearance of security appeals to the naive and insulates the nefarious while serving to justify the institution of a bureaucracy under the aegis of CIRA.
Roderick Whitney Stillwell
This post from CIRA sycophant, Michael Geist, is unmitigated .CA-CA. The CIRA policy does NOT strike a balance between privacy and access, notwithstanding Canadian privacy rules, which are an excuse for CIRA to extend and reinforce its monopolization of the .CA name space.. Check instead the CIRA registration rules which are numerous and prolific. .CA domain names ultimately and only belong to CIRA, according to CIRA. The new CIRA disclosure policy would amount to anti-trust violation in the U.S. (for example) in that its actual purpose is to interfere with the existing marketplace for .CA domain names and, thus, perpetuate monopolization of the .CA name space by CIRA. When a .CA domain name changes ownership, this presents a legal dilemma for CIRA which requires that all registrants agree that they do not own the domain that they paid for in the first place. To my knowledge CIRA has not to date interfered with the market in the sense of forbidding a registrant to sell a domain. It if did, it would lose in any Canadian legal jurisdiction, which would be precedent setting that CIRA most assuredly does not want to happen. The REAL purpose of the policy is to prevent where possible .CA domain name ownership changes by a self-proclaimed "private" entity run by a bunch of monopolizers that do not now, nor have they ever had, "authority" to monopolize anything, let alone the .CA domain space. CIRA's only original "authority" stems from a single letter from the Canadian government which allowed CIRA to manage the name space. For CIRA to claim that it is either (a) a private entity or (b) has "authority" to either monopolize the name space or interfere with the marketplace is as absurd as the post from lawyer Michael Geist. As it stands, the new policy DOES allow registrants to make public their information, if they choose. However, most registrants will not know about the opt-out provision. If CIRA wants to "protect" privacy in keeping with Canadian privacy legislation, all that is required for private registrants is a registration pseudonym and a working email address for every non-commercial domain name so that potential purchasers of .CA domain names can communicate with each other. Check back soon with CIRA which will more than likely decide to subsequently levy an additional tariff for so-called "private" registrations in the .CA name space.